From amd.mobile at virgilio.it Wed Jul 2 13:37:48 2025 From: amd.mobile at virgilio.it (Andrea-Mobile) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2025 13:37:48 +0200 Subject: [artix-general] Things that push me away from Artix [Feaures/Improvements requests] Message-ID: Hi everyone , I'm a big fan of Artix Linux , and I really want to use it as my daily . I'm a big supporter of features like init freedom and xlibre support. However, there are some points that are making me to not use Artix as my distro of choiche : - Not enough support fo (init free) packages : I still have to access to Arch and AUR for packages that supports init freedom , and that are hard to configure with the more advanced inits (such as s6) As istances , emptty login manager support all the init systems provided by Artix, however, there is no support for it, and do the make install from the sourcecode doesn't works with some inits (such as the s6 init, s6 is not able to start it). Another example , leftwm supports other inits than systemd (there is a leftwm-nosystemd on the AUR) , but no support from Artix . - ISO management : I'm really agaist multiple distros with Artix's choices. EndeavourOS offers a great example about ho things should be done in my opinion : a only one Calamares ISO , where you can choose everything , the desktop , the display servers , the init system , the repos enabled (and now that xlibre is on the road, also the xserver implementation , if possible). This approach would give 100% full control to the user, peritting him to easy perform an installation as minimal as he want - Arch-dependent distro : this is not as important as the other two points , but in my opinion, if there are enough resources, a increment of developers number is necessary , and the distro should go more indipendent fom Arch. Having more packages without adding Arch's extra repos and also providing more init-free packages is necessary in my opinion. Thank you for your attention From ruben at mrbrklyn.com Wed Jul 2 19:55:05 2025 From: ruben at mrbrklyn.com (Ruben Safir) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2025 13:55:05 -0400 Subject: [artix-general] Things that push me away from Artix [Feaures/Improvements requests] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20250702175505.GA20284@www2.mrbrklyn.com> This is very hard to read. Some of the problem I am sure is language the language barrier, and I commend you for your effort to right such a lovely message in your non-native tounge. But some of it is something else, I don't know what exactly. Some of this is that your would like to see the supprot of more init processes, and I am sure the dev team will look at the requsts and reply. The second part about the number of ISO's, that I did not understand what your are requesting. Let me just say something about the AURs. The arch AURs can be very useful, but even if you are using native Arch, they can be hit and miss. But they forfil a great purpose for all kinds of software and I don't see it as a disadvantage. If anything, it is a huge advantage because it allows for a small development community to focus on core finctionality and not have to build every kind of client software under the sun. The fact that the artix dev community is relatively small and accessable is made possible, indirectly, by this. So considering the alternatives, or using freshmeat, I like the AUR. Reuvain On Wed, Jul 02, 2025 at 01:37:48PM +0200, Andrea-Mobile wrote: > Hi everyone , > > I'm a big fan of Artix Linux , and I really want to use it as my daily . > > I'm a big supporter of features like init freedom and xlibre > support. > > However, there are some points that are making me to not use Artix as my distro of choiche : > > - Not enough support fo (init free) packages : I still have to access to Arch and AUR for packages that supports init freedom , and that are hard to configure with the more advanced inits (such as s6) > As istances , emptty login manager support all the init systems provided by Artix, however, there is no support for it, and do the make install from the sourcecode doesn't works with some inits (such as the s6 init, s6 is not able to start it). > Another example , leftwm supports other inits than systemd (there is a leftwm-nosystemd on the AUR) , but no support from Artix . > > - ISO management : I'm really agaist multiple distros with Artix's choices. EndeavourOS offers a great example about ho things should be done in my opinion : a only one Calamares ISO , where you can choose everything , the desktop , the display servers , the init system , the repos enabled (and now that xlibre is on the road, also the xserver implementation , if possible). > This approach would give 100% full control to the user, peritting him to easy perform an installation as minimal as he want > > - Arch-dependent distro : this is not as important as the other two points , but in my opinion, if there are enough resources, a increment of developers number is necessary , and the distro should go more indipendent fom Arch. > Having more packages without adding Arch's extra repos and also providing more init-free packages is necessary in my opinion. > > Thank you for your attention > -- > artix-general mailing list > artix-general at artixlinux.org > https://lists.artixlinux.org/listinfo/artix-general -- So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998 http://www.mrbrklyn.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002 http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive http://www.coinhangout.com - coins! http://www.brooklyn-living.com Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and extermination camps, but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013 From nous at artixlinux.org Wed Jul 2 22:34:39 2025 From: nous at artixlinux.org (Christos Nouskas) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2025 23:34:39 +0300 Subject: [artix-general] Things that push me away from Artix [Feaures/Improvements requests] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20250702233439.589c4637@artixlinux.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On Wed, 2 Jul 2025 13:37:48 +0200 Andrea-Mobile wrote: > - ISO management : I'm really agaist multiple distros with Artix's > choices. EndeavourOS offers a great example about ho things should be > done in my opinion : a only one Calamares ISO , where you can choose > everything , the desktop , the display servers , the init system , > the repos enabled (and now that xlibre is on the road, also the > xserver implementation , if possible). This approach would give 100% > full control to the user, peritting him to easy perform an > installation as minimal as he want This is the most interesting point made, has been in our to-do list for years, and we should invest our time and efforts to finally implement it. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEmK5uMq4KTRJurKyMYCPDvuqwjEoFAmhll98ACgkQYCPDvuqw jEpcsAf/eusR/dUsv4KmKtEvQyb7hGrARDiOH9FkhywDyokQvTLnmOYxj6hD79cU Q1OMj8HnK8798IWUowJklDw/02CMmmBSA9KtMk9wQnkrcZ4lEfQ1yh+JQUDJa7gw v/fY7P9IQWckqBdmzd4vIzXoTpdqeas7xtxpUmK0VEuWHZkBPg6HzMs0xeh3UbDH GJ4jNDxrDst6NZQ/8mtgTtsqC08AHfj742xaFeNTH2yRM11vexmriL+urgw+5UZI WaunTajqrtIBedBn3ec5ntH1VSc0kZ9pxDMin4YDRfd68+X0XlqRe1hlE+34W8o6 WYk63RSNw/1fpBZC9PjTP1tdK1BXLg== =EP75 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ruben at mrbrklyn.com Wed Jul 2 23:42:42 2025 From: ruben at mrbrklyn.com (Ruben Safir) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2025 17:42:42 -0400 Subject: [artix-general] Things that push me away from Artix [Feaures/Improvements requests] In-Reply-To: <20250702233439.589c4637@artixlinux.org> References: <20250702233439.589c4637@artixlinux.org> Message-ID: <20250702214242.GA22145@www2.mrbrklyn.com> On Wed, Jul 02, 2025 at 11:34:39PM +0300, Christos Nouskas wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA256 > > On Wed, 2 Jul 2025 13:37:48 +0200 > Andrea-Mobile wrote: > > - ISO management : I'm really agaist multiple distros with Artix's > > choices. EndeavourOS offers a great example about ho things should be > > done in my opinion : a only one Calamares ISO , where you can choose > > everything , the desktop , the display servers , the init system , > > the repos enabled (and now that xlibre is on the road, also the > > xserver implementation , if possible). This approach would give 100% > > full control to the user, peritting him to easy perform an > > installation as minimal as he want > > This is the most interesting point made, has been in our to-do list for > years, and we should invest our time and efforts to finally implement > it. > Can you clarify what this means exactly? FWIW - the last Calamares installation I did I was lucky to get past the base install. Then it failed altogther and I just installed everything manually from there with pacman. It asked to reboot and when it did, it didn't pick up where it left off and I was left with a plain terminal. I was OK with that but a newbie would be exasperated. It was not the first time I have had trouble with Calamares. I'd say it fails about 40% of the times I've seen it used in the wild... aside the Luks BTRF troubles. > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEmK5uMq4KTRJurKyMYCPDvuqwjEoFAmhll98ACgkQYCPDvuqw > jEpcsAf/eusR/dUsv4KmKtEvQyb7hGrARDiOH9FkhywDyokQvTLnmOYxj6hD79cU > Q1OMj8HnK8798IWUowJklDw/02CMmmBSA9KtMk9wQnkrcZ4lEfQ1yh+JQUDJa7gw > v/fY7P9IQWckqBdmzd4vIzXoTpdqeas7xtxpUmK0VEuWHZkBPg6HzMs0xeh3UbDH > GJ4jNDxrDst6NZQ/8mtgTtsqC08AHfj742xaFeNTH2yRM11vexmriL+urgw+5UZI > WaunTajqrtIBedBn3ec5ntH1VSc0kZ9pxDMin4YDRfd68+X0XlqRe1hlE+34W8o6 > WYk63RSNw/1fpBZC9PjTP1tdK1BXLg== > =EP75 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > -- > artix-general mailing list > artix-general at artixlinux.org > https://lists.artixlinux.org/listinfo/artix-general -- So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998 http://www.mrbrklyn.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002 http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive http://www.coinhangout.com - coins! http://www.brooklyn-living.com Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and extermination camps, but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013 From ruben at mrbrklyn.com Thu Jul 3 00:11:11 2025 From: ruben at mrbrklyn.com (Ruben Safir) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2025 18:11:11 -0400 Subject: [artix-general] Things that push me away from Artix [Feaures/Improvements requests] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20250702221111.GB22145@www2.mrbrklyn.com> ***note I wrote how the message is hard to read and then sent and even wrost message. I apologize. Re-edit: ------------------------ This is very hard to read. Some of the problem I am sure is the language barrier, and I commend you for your effort to write such a lovely message in your non-native tongue. But some of it is something else, I don't know what exactly. I understand that your would like to see the support of more init processes, and I am sure the dev team will look at the request and reply. The second part about the number of ISO's, that I did not understand what your are requesting. Let me just say something about the AURs. The arch AURs can be very useful, but even if you are using native Arch, they can be hit and miss. Regardless of their short failings, they fulfil a great purpose for many kinds of software and allow users to build projects they care about without stepping on the core developers. I don't see it as a disadvantage. If anything, it is a huge advantage because it allows for a small development community to focus on core functionality and not have to build every kind of client software under the sun. The fact is that the artix dev community is relatively small. But they are also very accessible which is completely lost in large projects. So considering the alternatives, AURs or using freshmeat, I like the AURs. Reuvain On Wed, Jul 02, 2025 at 01:37:48PM +0200, Andrea-Mobile wrote: > Hi everyone , > > I'm a big fan of Artix Linux , and I really want to use it as my daily . > > I'm a big supporter of features like init freedom and xlibre > support. > > However, there are some points that are making me to not use Artix as my distro of choiche : > > - Not enough support fo (init free) packages : I still have to access to Arch and AUR for packages that supports init freedom , and that are hard to configure with the more advanced inits (such as s6) > As istances , emptty login manager support all the init systems provided by Artix, however, there is no support for it, and do the make install from the sourcecode doesn't works with some inits (such as the s6 init, s6 is not able to start it). > Another example , leftwm supports other inits than systemd (there is a leftwm-nosystemd on the AUR) , but no support from Artix . > > - ISO management : I'm really agaist multiple distros with Artix's choices. EndeavourOS offers a great example about ho things should be done in my opinion : a only one Calamares ISO , where you can choose everything , the desktop , the display servers , the init system , the repos enabled (and now that xlibre is on the road, also the xserver implementation , if possible). > This approach would give 100% full control to the user, peritting him to easy perform an installation as minimal as he want > > - Arch-dependent distro : this is not as important as the other two points , but in my opinion, if there are enough resources, a increment of developers number is necessary , and the distro should go more indipendent fom Arch. > Having more packages without adding Arch's extra repos and also providing more init-free packages is necessary in my opinion. > > Thank you for your attention > -- > artix-general mailing list > artix-general at artixlinux.org > https://lists.artixlinux.org/listinfo/artix-general -- So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998 http://www.mrbrklyn.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002 http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive http://www.coinhangout.com - coins! http://www.brooklyn-living.com Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and extermination camps, but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013 -- artix-general mailing list artix-general at artixlinux.org https://lists.artixlinux.org/listinfo/artix-general From waterbearer54 at gmx.com Thu Jul 3 00:56:48 2025 From: waterbearer54 at gmx.com (aguador) Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2025 00:56:48 +0200 Subject: [artix-general] Things that push me away from Artix [Feaures/Improvements requests] In-Reply-To: <20250702214242.GA22145@www2.mrbrklyn.com> References: <20250702233439.589c4637@artixlinux.org> <20250702214242.GA22145@www2.mrbrklyn.com> Message-ID: El mi?, 02-07-2025 a las 17:42 -0400, Ruben Safir escribi?: > On Wed, Jul 02, 2025 at 11:34:39PM +0300, Christos Nouskas wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA256 > > > > On Wed, 2 Jul 2025 13:37:48 +0200 > > Andrea-Mobile wrote: > > > - ISO management : I'm really agaist multiple distros with > > > Artix's > > > choices. EndeavourOS offers a great example about ho things > > > should be > > > done in my opinion : a only one Calamares ISO , where you can > > > choose > > > everything , the desktop , the display servers , the init system > > > , > > > the repos enabled (and now that xlibre is on the road, also the > > > xserver implementation , if possible). This approach would give > > > 100% > > > full control to the user, peritting him to easy perform an > > > installation as minimal as he want > > > > This is the most interesting point made, has been in our to-do list > > for > > years, and we should invest our time and efforts to finally > > implement > > it. > > > Can you clarify what this means exactly? > > FWIW - the last Calamares installation I did I was lucky to get past > the > base install.? Then it failed altogther and I just installed > everything > manually from there with pacman. > I have not done a lot of installations with Calamares, but it has general acceptance and seems to work for most people. The example given was EndeavourOS, but there is one problem: if you install off-line you have one choice: KDE-Plasma. EndeavourOS does try to offer ways to have multiple connections to deal with slow connections to do online installation, but I don't know how well that works -- and I am generally on slow connections. So, if there is to be one ISO with Calamares, it does need to offer a non-graphical basic installation, as can be done with the current Artix ISOs -- or offer a default to a lightweight DE like XFCE that permits easy installation of a group of graphical packages, while the DE can be easily be deleted for those who want a different WM or DE. Personal note: I was not unhappy with the Artix installation experience, which went smoothly. I am not sure one needs to concentrate on a slick installer for a rolling release distro. Sure we change equipment or help others set up their machines, but it is still infrequent. That an installer is quick, straightforward and works is all that's needed. Roy PS Andrea, I found your message perfectly understandable. From a8b7k57G at protonmail.com Fri Jul 4 19:46:27 2025 From: a8b7k57G at protonmail.com (a8) Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2025 17:46:27 +0000 Subject: [artix-general] Things that push me away from Artix [Feaures/Improvements requests] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: this was suggested in irc if a singular artix iso supported persistence, then that one iso could be updated and modifyed to the users desired init, de, and other packages. Presumably, then user installs could be just as the user desired. From amd.mobile at virgilio.it Fri Jul 4 20:29:32 2025 From: amd.mobile at virgilio.it (amd.mobile at virgilio.it) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2025 18:29:32 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [artix-general] Things that push me away from Artix [Feaures/Improvements requests] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I think it would be also more sustainable for the developers. And more practical also for the final users. Good thing is this approach was currently performed by others Arch based distros, so Artix devs would have to fork the calamares settings from another distro, without starting completely from zero 2025-07-04T17:46:40Z a8 : > > this was suggested in irc > > if a singular artix iso supported persistence, then that one iso could be updated and modifyed to the users desired init, de, and other packages. > > Presumably, then user installs could be just as the user desired. > > -- > artix-general mailing list > artix-general at artixlinux.org > https://lists.artixlinux.org/listinfo/artix-general -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ruben at mrbrklyn.com Sat Jul 5 05:31:05 2025 From: ruben at mrbrklyn.com (Ruben Safir) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2025 23:31:05 -0400 Subject: [artix-general] Things that push me away from Artix [Feaures/Improvements requests] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20250705033105.GA17213@www2.mrbrklyn.com> On Fri, Jul 04, 2025 at 05:46:27PM +0000, a8 wrote: > > this was suggested in irc > > if a singular artix iso supported persistence, Honestly, I don't know what that means. As far as I am concern, the real problem here is that Calemere is not a dependable platform. I've looks at over a 100 installations already, probably a lot more, and the damn thing just fails to work without seeming reason ... like all the time. And it is not an Artix controlled program. > then that one iso could be updated and modifyed to the users desired init, de, and other packages. A base install does just that... fwiw. I have had no trouble with installing DMs with pacman. Even with OpenSUSE and YAST, you get a serious of choices, 4 of them the last I looked of full on gnone, fullon kde, limited X graphics or terminal. And even with Yast, you just into real trouble with creating custom partions. I rarely see it work well with Calemeres. WHen I am in a rush I will just mount the disks off the live disk and create the partitions with cfdisk and the appopriate mkfs and then reboot and let the system identify the partition scheme and cross my fingers and hope it takes. That requires a little planning before you install. I stil have a knoplix disk somewhere. > > Presumably, then user installs could be just as the user desired. > > -- > artix-general mailing list > artix-general at artixlinux.org > https://lists.artixlinux.org/listinfo/artix-general -- So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998 http://www.mrbrklyn.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002 http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive http://www.coinhangout.com - coins! http://www.brooklyn-living.com Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and extermination camps, but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013 From ruben at mrbrklyn.com Sat Jul 5 05:38:02 2025 From: ruben at mrbrklyn.com (Ruben Safir) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2025 23:38:02 -0400 Subject: [artix-general] Things that push me away from Artix [Feaures/Improvements requests] In-Reply-To: References: <20250702233439.589c4637@artixlinux.org> <20250702214242.GA22145@www2.mrbrklyn.com> Message-ID: <20250705033802.GB17213@www2.mrbrklyn.com> On Thu, Jul 03, 2025 at 12:56:48AM +0200, aguador wrote: > > Can you clarify what this means exactly? > > > > FWIW - the last Calamares installation I did I was lucky to get past > > the > > base install.? Then it failed altogther and I just installed > > everything > > manually from there with pacman. > > > I have not done a lot of installations with Calamares, but it has > general acceptance and seems to work for most people. I would wage real money that if we take 100 random recent model computers and laptops off the street that Calamares will fail about 40% of the time. I've done this experiment in real time. Artix is 8 years old now. Whenever we do an installfest I spend a lot of my time trying to get around Calamares errors. Reuvain -- So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998 http://www.mrbrklyn.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002 http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive http://www.coinhangout.com - coins! http://www.brooklyn-living.com Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and extermination camps, but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013 From amd.mobile at virgilio.it Sat Jul 5 16:09:06 2025 From: amd.mobile at virgilio.it (amd.mobile at virgilio.it) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2025 14:09:06 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [artix-general] Things that push me away from Artix [Feaures/Improvements requests] In-Reply-To: <20250705033105.GA17213@www2.mrbrklyn.com> References: <20250705033105.GA17213@www2.mrbrklyn.com> Message-ID: <8342d462-f8a8-4e70-be00-a080cb6594ee@virgilio.it> Hi I tried again the offline installer. It is OK for a not graphical base installation, but a deeper management, as EndeavourOS currently offers (or as ArcoLinux offered)? would permit to offer one and only iso , and I think it would be the best choice 2025-07-05T03:31:28Z Ruben Safir : > On Fri, Jul 04, 2025 at 05:46:27PM +0000, a8 wrote: >> >> this was suggested in irc >> >> if a singular artix iso supported persistence, > > Honestly, I don't know what that means. > > As far as I am concern, the real problem here is that Calemere is not a > dependable platform. > > I've looks at over a 100 installations already, probably a lot more, > and the damn thing just fails to work without seeming reason ... like > all the time.? And it is not an Artix controlled program.? > > >> then that one iso could be updated and modifyed to the users desired init, de, and other packages. > > A base install does just that... fwiw.? I have had no trouble with > installing DMs with pacman. > > Even with OpenSUSE and YAST, you get a serious of choices, 4 of them the > last I looked of full on gnone, fullon kde, limited X graphics or > terminal. > > And even with Yast, you just into real trouble with creating custom > partions.? I rarely see it work well with Calemeres.? WHen I am in a > rush I will just mount the disks off the live disk and create the > partitions with cfdisk and the appopriate mkfs and then reboot and let > the system identify the partition scheme and cross my fingers and hope > it takes. > > That requires a little planning before you install.? > > I stil have a knoplix disk somewhere. > >> >> Presumably, then user installs could be just as the user desired. >> >> -- >> artix-general mailing list >> artix-general at artixlinux.org >> https://lists.artixlinux.org/listinfo/artix-general > > -- > So many immigrant groups have swept through our town > that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological > proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998 > http://www.mrbrklyn.com > > DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002 > http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software > http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive > http://www.coinhangout.com - coins! > http://www.brooklyn-living.com > > Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and extermination camps, > but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013 > > -- > artix-general mailing list > artix-general at artixlinux.org > https://lists.artixlinux.org/listinfo/artix-general -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From a8b7k57G at protonmail.com Sat Jul 5 16:40:27 2025 From: a8b7k57G at protonmail.com (a8) Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2025 14:40:27 +0000 Subject: [artix-general] Things that push me away from Artix [Feaures/Improvements requests] In-Reply-To: <20250705033105.GA17213@www2.mrbrklyn.com> References: <20250705033105.GA17213@www2.mrbrklyn.com> Message-ID: On Friday, July 4th, 2025 at 11:31 PM, Ruben Safir wrote: > On Fri, Jul 04, 2025 at 05:46:27PM +0000, a8 wrote: > > > this was suggested in irc > > > > if a singular artix iso supported persistence, > > > Honestly, I don't know what that means. 30 second summary https://archbang.org/2021/02/07/persistence-in-a-live-iso-is-it-really-worth-it/ "In the old days of live isos such as Knoppix ran mostly from cd drives. These days most people will run from a usb drive in some form. Archiso has an option to allow persistence, this means anything done in a session will be saved to a named device. Simply at boot menu hit tab and add ?cow_device=/dev/sdxN? (x is used an example and N is a partition number). Once booted you can modify most of the systems settings including install packages (subject to a working network connection). This is all fine but does have a few drawbacks. You cannot fully update a live system, more to the point you cannot update kernel. You may notice a longer boot time given loading of persistence folder/drive. Have noticed that if I run a newer version of iso current persistence files are not loaded. " But, as noted above, install artix to the USB is probably a smarter solution. https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Install_Arch_Linux_on_a_removable_medium > As far as I am concern, the real problem here is that Calemere is not a > dependable platform. > > I've looks at over a 100 installations already, probably a lot more, > and the damn thing just fails to work without seeming reason ... like > all the time. And it is not an Artix controlled program. I agree. The Calamares fail/win numbers are weird. If I try install encrypted btrfs and it fails, then I try a strait btrfs, and it fails, and I fall back to a basic ext4 in frustration, and it succeeds, is that a 2/3 fail rate, or a success? > > then that one iso could be updated and modifyed to the users desired init, de, and other packages. > > A base install does just that... fwiw. I have had no trouble with > installing DMs with pacman. Agreed. But the boot iso doing the install cannot be modified by pacman, right? From je-vv at e.email Sun Jul 20 03:26:13 2025 From: je-vv at e.email (Javier) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2025 19:26:13 -0600 Subject: [artix-general] recent perl upgrade and some packages missing re-build Message-ID: After a recent perl upgrade: > [2025-07-18T19:12:25-0600] [ALPM] upgraded perl (5.40.2-1 -> 5.42.0-1) And after re-building AUR perl packages, these packages from omniverse still miss to be re-built for 5.42.0 perl: > % pacman -Qqo '/usr/lib/perl5/5.40' > perl-file-basedir > perl-file-desktopentry > perl-ipc-system-simple A work around for this is to install them from Arch extra repo. -- Javier From artist at artixlinux.org Sun Jul 20 12:00:46 2025 From: artist at artixlinux.org (Carlo den Otter) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2025 12:00:46 +0200 Subject: [artix-general] recent perl upgrade and some packages missing re-build In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Did you run pacman -Syy ? On 7/20/25 03:26, Javier wrote: > After a recent perl upgrade: > >> [2025-07-18T19:12:25-0600] [ALPM] upgraded perl (5.40.2-1 -> 5.42.0-1) > > And after re-building AUR perl packages, these packages from omniverse > still miss to be re-built for 5.42.0 perl: > >> % pacman -Qqo '/usr/lib/perl5/5.40' >> perl-file-basedir >> perl-file-desktopentry >> perl-ipc-system-simple > > A work around for this is to install them from Arch extra repo. > From je-vv at e.email Sun Jul 20 13:23:39 2025 From: je-vv at e.email (Javier) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2025 05:23:39 -0600 Subject: [artix-general] recent perl upgrade and some packages missing re-build In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8e128659-b6d1-40a2-965e-d80c46940a88@e.email> On 2025-07-20 04:00 AM, Carlo den Otter wrote: > Did you run pacman -Syy ? The package after my upgrade had the same version as the Arch extra, what's weird though, is that on other boxes I didn't get the same issue, that made me wonder. But I just tried re-installing it, after pacman -Syy, and the packages no longer place stuff on 5.40. This is weird... Thank you ! -- Javier