From waterbearer54 at gmx.com Sat Feb 1 10:44:50 2025 From: waterbearer54 at gmx.com (aguador) Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2025 10:44:50 +0100 Subject: [artix-general] Enlightenment? Message-ID: <03bbf31ea3a1eb9ef182b60ec05af01503dd4947.camel@gmx.com> When the latest version of Enlightenment did not appear, I searched and see that it is no longer in the Artix repositories (from which I thought I installed it around a year ago). Instead I discovered that the Bodhi Linux fork Moksha has been added/taken its place. Questions: * Is there a reason for the change? * Will E also be packaged? * If E will not be packaged, can it safely be imported from Arch, or must it be built with Artix due to systemd dependencies? Note that I started using E in Manjaro (when it had a community of E users). I recall when Jeff Hoogland forked e17. While I sympathized a bit with his frustration, I felt him wrong for forking it. He could have continued to contribute to the later releases of E as the devs are quite open to contributions. E has continued to develop nicely and the latest releases of it and efl are better than ever. Much of the improvement is in efl, so I suppose Moksha benefits --assuming the devs there keep up with the theming changes (e.g., the latest cpufreq module required an update to the Flat Theme). Roy From artist at artixlinux.org Sat Feb 1 14:41:35 2025 From: artist at artixlinux.org (Carlo den Otter) Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2025 14:41:35 +0100 Subject: [artix-general] Enlightenment? In-Reply-To: <03bbf31ea3a1eb9ef182b60ec05af01503dd4947.camel@gmx.com> References: <03bbf31ea3a1eb9ef182b60ec05af01503dd4947.camel@gmx.com> Message-ID: <901c08a2-1735-4cd1-9a1c-3bd7f5d92074@artixlinux.org> The past years Moksha provided a complete and absolutely stable desktop, while E failed at both. The new E release is far more complete than the previous one but I did not use it enough to be able to asses its stability. Both E and Moksha were in the Omniverse repository but half a year ago Moksha was moved to the Galaxy one: https://wiki.artixlinux.org/Site/MokshaDesktopForArtix. Note that the Moksha/Bodhi devs are very active in improving, porting and creating modules and a new Drawer module might be released soon. There are many Bodhi/Moksha reviews online and all of them are full of praise about how lightweight, feature rich and beautiful this DE is. The new E release requires a new EFL version which had not yet been tested and adopted for Moksha. I checked with one of the Bodhi devs (I'm often in contact with him and sometimes with the E dev) and he expected no problems. About a week ago Moksha added the new EFL to their repository and the same has now been done with EFL in our Galaxy repo. The new Enlightenment package was already in the Omniverse repo and can be installed from there. artist On 2/1/25 10:44, aguador wrote: > When the latest version of Enlightenment did not appear, I searched and > see that it is no longer in the Artix repositories (from which I > thought I installed it around a year ago). Instead I discovered that > the Bodhi Linux fork Moksha has been added/taken its place. Questions: > > * Is there a reason for the change? > * Will E also be packaged? > * If E will not be packaged, can it safely be imported from Arch, or > must it be built with Artix due to systemd dependencies? > > Note that I started using E in Manjaro (when it had a community of E > users). I recall when Jeff Hoogland forked e17. While I sympathized a > bit with his frustration, I felt him wrong for forking it. He could > have continued to contribute to the later releases of E as the devs are > quite open to contributions. > > E has continued to develop nicely and the latest releases of it and efl > are better than ever. Much of the improvement is in efl, so I suppose > Moksha benefits --assuming the devs there keep up with the theming > changes (e.g., the latest cpufreq module required an update to the Flat > Theme). > > Roy From waterbearer54 at gmx.com Sat Feb 1 17:31:19 2025 From: waterbearer54 at gmx.com (RWR) Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2025 17:31:19 +0100 Subject: [artix-general] Enlightenment? In-Reply-To: <901c08a2-1735-4cd1-9a1c-3bd7f5d92074@artixlinux.org> References: <03bbf31ea3a1eb9ef182b60ec05af01503dd4947.camel@gmx.com> <901c08a2-1735-4cd1-9a1c-3bd7f5d92074@artixlinux.org> Message-ID: <3bd03481a71713306848d46c70431cd8cf80770d.camel@gmx.com> El s?b, 01-02-2025 a las 14:41 +0100, Carlo den Otter escribi?: > The past years Moksha provided a complete and absolutely stable > desktop, > while E failed at both. The new E release is far more complete than > the > previous one but I did not use it enough to be able to asses its > stability. Curious, I've not seen any problems with stability in the last couple of releases. > Both E and Moksha were in the Omniverse repository but half a year > ago > Moksha was moved to the Galaxy one: > https://wiki.artixlinux.org/Site/MokshaDesktopForArtix. Note that the > Moksha/Bodhi devs are very active in improving, porting and creating > modules and a new Drawer module might be released soon. There are > many > Bodhi/Moksha reviews online and all of them are full of praise about > how > lightweight, feature rich and beautiful this DE is. > I obviously have not kept up closely with Bodhi: the start was strange, it seemed to struggle after Hoogland left, and I definitely did not like the Ubuntu base. >From their website I see some old familiar themes...and that do not seem to have been updated in years. The release of the Flat Theme coincided with changes that rendered the old themes less than fully compatible. Simon Lees did modify the old B&W theme, released as Dimensions (and perhaps the ones he does for OpenSuse). However, at a minimum the new cpufreq module is incompatible with that theme -- although he has promised to take a look at it. > The new E release requires a new EFL version which had not yet been > tested and adopted for Moksha. I checked with one of the Bodhi devs > (I'm > often in contact with him and sometimes with the E dev) and he > expected > no problems. About a week ago Moksha added the new EFL to their > repository and the same has now been done with EFL in our Galaxy > repo. I saw that...and you should have seen a minor improvement with EFM. On one of my machines I still have a Win7 partition to which I need access...which is now possible with EFM! > The new Enlightenment package was already in the Omniverse repo and > can > be installed from there. Thanks artist, but I just updated e and efl...and the system hangs when logging into the updated E. Hmmmm... > > artist > > On 2/1/25 10:44, aguador wrote: > > When the latest version of Enlightenment did not appear, I searched > > and > > see that it is no longer in the Artix repositories (from which I > > thought I installed it around a year ago). Instead I discovered > > that > > the Bodhi Linux fork Moksha has been added/taken its place. > > Questions: > > > > ? * Is there a reason for the change? > > ? * Will E also be packaged? > > ? * If E will not be packaged, can it safely be imported from Arch, > > or > > ??? must it be built with Artix due to systemd dependencies? > > > > Note that I started using E in Manjaro (when it had a community of > > E > > users). I recall when Jeff Hoogland forked e17. While I sympathized > > a > > bit with his frustration, I felt him wrong for forking it. He could > > have continued to contribute to the later releases of E as the devs > > are > > quite open to contributions. > > > > E has continued to develop nicely and the latest releases of it and > > efl > > are better than ever. Much of the improvement is in efl, so I > > suppose > > Moksha benefits --assuming the devs there keep up with the theming > > changes (e.g., the latest cpufreq module required an update to the > > Flat > > Theme). > > > > Roy > From artist at artixlinux.org Sat Feb 1 17:57:20 2025 From: artist at artixlinux.org (Carlo den Otter) Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2025 17:57:20 +0100 Subject: [artix-general] Enlightenment? In-Reply-To: <3bd03481a71713306848d46c70431cd8cf80770d.camel@gmx.com> References: <03bbf31ea3a1eb9ef182b60ec05af01503dd4947.camel@gmx.com> <901c08a2-1735-4cd1-9a1c-3bd7f5d92074@artixlinux.org> <3bd03481a71713306848d46c70431cd8cf80770d.camel@gmx.com> Message-ID: I tested E24 iirc, and it crashed frequently. Good to hear it's working better now. Moksha currently has 23 themes, all available in our galaxy repo and updated regularly. I have no knowledge of the specifics of these themes; for that you can check Bodhi's Moksha forum or contact TheWaiter directly. Jeff's gh repo is still used but only for some modules mainly so you won't find theme updates there. Both Moksha devs each use their own one and one that is for Bodhi packages. I moved EFL 1.28.0-22 to our stable repo earlier today but indeed it has an issue with E. The package is a compromise as it has to work for both E and Moksha - and I'd rather not split it of for one og them - but the 1.28.0-3 version that was built an hour ago tests fine with E. artist On 2/1/25 17:31, RWR wrote: > El s?b, 01-02-2025 a las 14:41 +0100, Carlo den Otter escribi?: >> The past years Moksha provided a complete and absolutely stable >> desktop, >> while E failed at both. The new E release is far more complete than >> the >> previous one but I did not use it enough to be able to asses its >> stability. > Curious, I've not seen any problems with stability in the last couple > of releases. > >> Both E and Moksha were in the Omniverse repository but half a year >> ago >> Moksha was moved to the Galaxy one: >> https://wiki.artixlinux.org/Site/MokshaDesktopForArtix. Note that the >> Moksha/Bodhi devs are very active in improving, porting and creating >> modules and a new Drawer module might be released soon. There are >> many >> Bodhi/Moksha reviews online and all of them are full of praise about >> how >> lightweight, feature rich and beautiful this DE is. >> > I obviously have not kept up closely with Bodhi: the start was strange, > it seemed to struggle after Hoogland left, and I definitely did not > like the Ubuntu base. > > From their website I see some old familiar themes...and that do not > seem to have been updated in years. The release of the Flat Theme > coincided with changes that rendered the old themes less than fully > compatible. Simon Lees did modify the old B&W theme, released as > Dimensions (and perhaps the ones he does for OpenSuse). However, at a > minimum the new cpufreq module is incompatible with that theme -- > although he has promised to take a look at it. > >> The new E release requires a new EFL version which had not yet been >> tested and adopted for Moksha. I checked with one of the Bodhi devs >> (I'm >> often in contact with him and sometimes with the E dev) and he >> expected >> no problems. About a week ago Moksha added the new EFL to their >> repository and the same has now been done with EFL in our Galaxy >> repo. > I saw that...and you should have seen a minor improvement with EFM. On > one of my machines I still have a Win7 partition to which I need > access...which is now possible with EFM! > >> The new Enlightenment package was already in the Omniverse repo and >> can >> be installed from there. > Thanks artist, but I just updated e and efl...and the system hangs when > logging into the updated E. Hmmmm... >> artist >> >> On 2/1/25 10:44, aguador wrote: >>> When the latest version of Enlightenment did not appear, I searched >>> and >>> see that it is no longer in the Artix repositories (from which I >>> thought I installed it around a year ago). Instead I discovered >>> that >>> the Bodhi Linux fork Moksha has been added/taken its place. >>> Questions: >>> >>> ? * Is there a reason for the change? >>> ? * Will E also be packaged? >>> ? * If E will not be packaged, can it safely be imported from Arch, >>> or >>> ??? must it be built with Artix due to systemd dependencies? >>> >>> Note that I started using E in Manjaro (when it had a community of >>> E >>> users). I recall when Jeff Hoogland forked e17. While I sympathized >>> a >>> bit with his frustration, I felt him wrong for forking it. He could >>> have continued to contribute to the later releases of E as the devs >>> are >>> quite open to contributions. >>> >>> E has continued to develop nicely and the latest releases of it and >>> efl >>> are better than ever. Much of the improvement is in efl, so I >>> suppose >>> Moksha benefits --assuming the devs there keep up with the theming >>> changes (e.g., the latest cpufreq module required an update to the >>> Flat >>> Theme). >>> >>> Roy From waterbearer54 at gmx.com Sun Feb 2 01:59:51 2025 From: waterbearer54 at gmx.com (aguador) Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2025 01:59:51 +0100 Subject: [artix-general] Enlightenment? In-Reply-To: References: <03bbf31ea3a1eb9ef182b60ec05af01503dd4947.camel@gmx.com> <901c08a2-1735-4cd1-9a1c-3bd7f5d92074@artixlinux.org> <3bd03481a71713306848d46c70431cd8cf80770d.camel@gmx.com> Message-ID: <592c9d925bcf5854770e76ae0d03a598fb82f9ff.camel@gmx.com> El s?b, 01-02-2025 a las 17:57 +0100, Carlo den Otter escribi?: > I tested E24 iirc, and it crashed frequently. Good to hear it's > working > better now. My memory is fading as I have been on E25 and after for so long, but do not recall many stability issues. When Manjaro started changing I discovered that what had been my main OS before, Mageia, had E hidden away and have run with that since. There the only problem that I have seen recently is with notices related to network connections from networkd. Connman would be preferable, does not seem to play well with the distro for reasons I have been too lazy as yet to track down. > > Moksha currently has 23 themes, all available in our galaxy repo and > updated regularly. I have no knowledge of the specifics of these > themes; > for that you can check Bodhi's Moksha forum or contact TheWaiter > directly. Thank you. I may do that as I expect many are continuations of the themes Agust developed, many of which were very, very good. > Jeff's gh repo is still used but only for some modules mainly so you > won't find theme updates there. Both Moksha devs each use their own > one > and one that is for Bodhi packages. Curious to see Moksha using all those old modules. > > I moved EFL 1.28.0-22 to our stable repo earlier today but indeed it > has > an issue with E. The package is a compromise as it has to work for > both > E and Moksha - and I'd rather not split it of for one og them - but > the > 1.28.0-3 version that was built an hour ago tests fine with E. Thank you, artist, that solved the problem. (There was a drm-related library that was not found before.) I can understand not wanting to split the packages and hope that does not cause problems with e down the road. However, I have not seen any problems in the last year and e27 now seems to be running fine. > > artist > On 2/1/25 17:31, RWR wrote: > > El s?b, 01-02-2025 a las 14:41 +0100, Carlo den Otter escribi?: > > > The past years Moksha provided a complete and absolutely stable > > > desktop, > > > while E failed at both. The new E release is far more complete > > > than > > > the > > > previous one but I did not use it enough to be able to asses its > > > stability. > > Curious, I've not seen any problems with stability in the last > > couple > > of releases. > > > > > Both E and Moksha were in the Omniverse repository but half a > > > year > > > ago > > > Moksha was moved to the Galaxy one: > > > https://wiki.artixlinux.org/Site/MokshaDesktopForArtix. Note that > > > the > > > Moksha/Bodhi devs are very active in improving, porting and > > > creating > > > modules and a new Drawer module might be released soon. There are > > > many > > > Bodhi/Moksha reviews online and all of them are full of praise > > > about > > > how > > > lightweight, feature rich and beautiful this DE is. > > > > > I obviously have not kept up closely with Bodhi: the start was > > strange, > > it seemed to struggle after Hoogland left, and I definitely did not > > like the Ubuntu base. > > > > ?From their website I see some old familiar themes...and that do > > not > > seem to have been updated in years. The release of the Flat Theme > > coincided with changes that rendered the old themes less than fully > > compatible. Simon Lees did modify the old B&W theme, released as > > Dimensions (and perhaps the ones he does for OpenSuse). However, at > > a > > minimum the new cpufreq module is incompatible with that theme -- > > although he has promised to take a look at it. > > > > > The new E release requires a new EFL version which had not yet > > > been > > > tested and adopted for Moksha. I checked with one of the Bodhi > > > devs > > > (I'm > > > often in contact with him and sometimes with the E dev) and he > > > expected > > > no problems. About a week ago Moksha added the new EFL to their > > > repository and the same has now been done with EFL in our Galaxy > > > repo. > > I saw that...and you should have seen a minor improvement with EFM. > > On > > one of my machines I still have a Win7 partition to which I need > > access...which is now possible with EFM! > > > > > The new Enlightenment package was already in the Omniverse repo > > > and > > > can > > > be installed from there. > > Thanks artist, but I just updated e and efl...and the system hangs > > when > > logging into the updated E. Hmmmm... > > > artist > > > > > > On 2/1/25 10:44, aguador wrote: > > > > When the latest version of Enlightenment did not appear, I > > > > searched > > > > and > > > > see that it is no longer in the Artix repositories (from which > > > > I > > > > thought I installed it around a year ago). Instead I discovered > > > > that > > > > the Bodhi Linux fork Moksha has been added/taken its place. > > > > Questions: > > > > > > > > ?? * Is there a reason for the change? > > > > ?? * Will E also be packaged? > > > > ?? * If E will not be packaged, can it safely be imported from > > > > Arch, > > > > or > > > > ???? must it be built with Artix due to systemd dependencies? > > > > > > > > Note that I started using E in Manjaro (when it had a community > > > > of > > > > E > > > > users). I recall when Jeff Hoogland forked e17. While I > > > > sympathized > > > > a > > > > bit with his frustration, I felt him wrong for forking it. He > > > > could > > > > have continued to contribute to the later releases of E as the > > > > devs > > > > are > > > > quite open to contributions. > > > > > > > > E has continued to develop nicely and the latest releases of it > > > > and > > > > efl > > > > are better than ever. Much of the improvement is in efl, so I > > > > suppose > > > > Moksha benefits --assuming the devs there keep up with the > > > > theming > > > > changes (e.g., the latest cpufreq module required an update to > > > > the > > > > Flat > > > > Theme). > > > > > > > > Roy >