From ruben at mrbrklyn.com Sat Jun 1 02:21:23 2019 From: ruben at mrbrklyn.com (Ruben Safir) Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 19:21:23 -0400 Subject: [artix-general] Is console autologin possible to start X automatically on Artix? In-Reply-To: References: <2e34d1bc-5666-c003-beb3-ce6cc3a987f8@e.email> Message-ID: <20190531232123.GA21172@www2.mrbrklyn.com> starting X is an issue with permisions. The default expects X to launch from systemd On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 10:02:47AM +0000, Fungi4All via artix-general wrote: > > Some one suggested just starting X automatically on VT1 [2], without autologin, and with that I no longer need to block the screen at the very beginning, prior to calling the WM/DE on xinitrc, but there's a non graphical interface in the middle. Sounds good enough to me, as long as at init the system lands on VT1 at 1st, and not any random VT. Some time back it used to be that the VT finally showed at init was any (random?). Not sure if there's a way to make sure it's always VT1. If that can be configured, it's good enough, and there's no need for a DM at all... > > > > Thanks ! > > > > Javier > > > > [1] https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Getty#Automatic_login_to_virtual_console > > [2] https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xinit#Autostart_X_at_login > > > > I am not very sure what you are referring to. You want to login at tty and have the wm/desktop open up right away, you don't want to see the tty and have a DM show you a login screen or you want to boot and go straight into the DE without any login involved? The last is what you commonly find on a live image. Since it works on MATE-OpenRC iso it should be able to work on an installed system as well. > > Fungalnet > -- > artix-general mailing list > artix-general at artixlinux.org > https://lists.artixlinux.org/listinfo/artix-general -- So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998 http://www.mrbrklyn.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002 http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive http://www.coinhangout.com - coins! http://www.brooklyn-living.com Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and extermination camps, but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013 From je-vv at e.email Sat Jun 1 07:23:42 2019 From: je-vv at e.email (Javier) Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 22:23:42 -0600 Subject: [artix-general] Is console autologin possible to start X automatically on Artix? In-Reply-To: <20190531232123.GA21172@www2.mrbrklyn.com> References: <2e34d1bc-5666-c003-beb3-ce6cc3a987f8@e.email> <20190531232123.GA21172@www2.mrbrklyn.com> Message-ID: <5947e0f0-60ba-6711-5e0f-436b45eff825@e.email> On 5/31/19 5:21 PM, Ruben Safir via artix-general wrote: > > starting X is an issue with permisions. The default expects X to launch > from systemd > > On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 10:02:47AM +0000, Fungi4All via artix-general wrote: >> I am not very sure what you are referring to. You want to login at tty and have the wm/desktop open up right away, you don't want to see the tty and have a DM show you a login screen or you want to boot and go straight into the DE without any login involved? The last is what you commonly find on a live image. Since it works on MATE-OpenRC iso it should be able to work on an installed system as well. >> >> Fungalnet >> -- >> artix-general mailing list >> artix-general at artixlinux.org >> https://lists.artixlinux.org/listinfo/artix-general > Thak you all. I made my mind I really don't need autologin. It's enough if the init always finishes on VT1, and I can auto-start X there. I have no clue if openRC always start on VT1, but it seems systemd on Arch does, though not sure if because of this available by default on Arch, but I bet there might be a way to ensure that if not. Thanks ! -- Javier -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In general most distributions activate tty1 at least, most have many others. Ctrl-Alt-F(1,2,3,4,5,6) switches between ttys For reasons I've never cared to find out (probably Ruben knows, he is the X-man :) X starts (it is directed to) at a different tty than the one starting it. So you can be at tty4 and type startx (if setup to start this way and not already running) and X will start at tty7, in other systems it may be setup to start on tty3, etc. I don't know if this is the reason or not, but let's say X freezes up, no keyboard no mouse working or anything. You may still flip back to tty1 and either Ctrl-Z if it is where X was started and diagnose it or kill it all together. This is where htop is handy instead of a gui-task manager that is frozen. > Thanks ! We are learning, different pace, different paths, different start points, nobody can possibly know it all. I encourage you to use the forum more, more people active around the globe there that you can get advise most likely sooner than here on the list. Fungalnet (sysdfree.wordpress.com) From ruben at mrbrklyn.com Sun Jun 2 03:39:34 2019 From: ruben at mrbrklyn.com (Ruben Safir) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2019 20:39:34 -0400 Subject: [artix-general] Is console autologin possible to start X automatically on Artix? In-Reply-To: <5947e0f0-60ba-6711-5e0f-436b45eff825@e.email> References: <2e34d1bc-5666-c003-beb3-ce6cc3a987f8@e.email> <20190531232123.GA21172@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <5947e0f0-60ba-6711-5e0f-436b45eff825@e.email> Message-ID: <20190602003934.GA30409@www2.mrbrklyn.com> On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 10:23:42PM -0600, Javier via artix-general wrote: > On 5/31/19 5:21 PM, Ruben Safir via artix-general wrote: > > > > starting X is an issue with permisions. The default expects X to launch > > from systemd > > > > On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 10:02:47AM +0000, Fungi4All via artix-general wrote: > > >> I am not very sure what you are referring to. You want to login at tty and have the wm/desktop open up right away, you don't want to see the tty and have a DM show you a login screen or you want to boot and go straight into the DE without any login involved? The last is what you commonly find on a live image. Since it works on MATE-OpenRC iso it should be able to work on an installed system as well. > >> > >> Fungalnet > >> -- > >> artix-general mailing list > >> artix-general at artixlinux.org > >> https://lists.artixlinux.org/listinfo/artix-general > > > > Thak you all. I made my mind I really don't need autologin. It's enough if the init always finishes on VT1, and I can auto-start X there. I have no clue if openRC always start on VT1, but it seems systemd on Arch does, though not sure if because of this available by default on Arch, but I bet there might be a way to ensure that if not. > actualy not. getty processes are launches from councolekit thingie > Thanks ! > > -- > Javier > > -- > artix-general mailing list > artix-general at artixlinux.org > https://lists.artixlinux.org/listinfo/artix-general -- So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998 http://www.mrbrklyn.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002 http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive http://www.coinhangout.com - coins! http://www.brooklyn-living.com Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and extermination camps, but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013 From ruben at mrbrklyn.com Sun Jun 2 03:44:49 2019 From: ruben at mrbrklyn.com (Ruben Safir) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2019 20:44:49 -0400 Subject: [artix-general] Is console autologin possible to start X automatically on Artix? In-Reply-To: References: <2e34d1bc-5666-c003-beb3-ce6cc3a987f8@e.email> <20190531232123.GA21172@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <5947e0f0-60ba-6711-5e0f-436b45eff825@e.email> Message-ID: <20190602004449.GB30409@www2.mrbrklyn.com> On Sat, Jun 01, 2019 at 09:38:38AM +0000, Fungi4All via artix-general wrote: > On Saturday, June 1, 2019 7:23 AM, Javier via artix-general wrote: > > Thak you all. I made my mind I really don't need autologin. It's enough if the init always finishes on VT1, and I can auto-start X there. I have no clue if openRC always start on VT1, but it seems systemd on Arch does, though not sure if because of this available by default on Arch, but I bet there might be a way to ensure that if not. > > > In general most distributions activate tty1 at least, most have many others. > Ctrl-Alt-F(1,2,3,4,5,6) switches between ttys > For reasons I've never cared to find out (probably Ruben knows, he is the X-man :) X starts (it is directed to) at a different tty than the one starting it. So you can be at tty4 and type startx (if setup to start this way and not already running) and X will start at tty7, in other systems it may be setup to start on tty3, etc. > I don't know if this is the reason or not, but let's say X freezes up, no keyboard no mouse working or anything. You may still flip back to tty1 and either Ctrl-Z if it is where X was started and diagnose it or kill it all together. This is where htop is handy instead of a gui-task manager that is frozen. > > > Thanks ! > X opens on a display which is usually assinged to tty09? or 12 or sometimes 8. The tty need open permisions if you chose to start X on the command line. there is a built in networking component to this as well XINIT(1) General Commands Manual XINIT(1) NAME xinit - X Window System initializer SYNOPSIS xinit [ [ client ] options ... ] [ -- [ server ] [ display ] options ... ] DESCRIPTION The xinit program is used to start the X Window System server and a first client program on systems that are not using a display manager such as xdm(1) or in environments that use multiple window systems. When this first client exits, xinit will kill the X server and then terminate. If no specific client program is given on the command line, xinit will look for a file in the user's home directory called .xinitrc to run as a shell script to start up client programs. If no such file exists, xinit will use the following as a default: xterm -geometry +1+1 -n login -display :0 If no specific server program is given on the command line, xinit will look for a file in the user's home directory called .xserverrc to run as a shell script to start up the server. If no such file exists, xinit will use the following as a default: X :0 Note that this assumes that there is a program named X in the current search path. The site administrator should, therefore, make a link to the appropriate type of server on the machine, or create a shell script that runs xinit with the appropriate server. Note, when using a .xserverrc script be sure to ``exec'' the real X server. Failing to do this can make the X server slow to start and exit. For example: exec Xdisplaytype An important point is that programs which are run by .xinitrc should be run in the background if they do not exit right away, so that they don't prevent other programs from starting up. However, the last long- lived program started (usually a window manager or terminal emulator) should be left in the foreground so that the script won't exit (which indicates that the user is done and that xinit should exit). An alternate client and/or server may be specified on the command line. The desired client program and its arguments should be given as the first command line arguments to xinit. To specify a particular server command line, append a double dash (--) to the xinit command line (after any client and arguments) followed by the desired server com- mand. Both the client program name and the server program name must begin with a slash (/) or a period (.). Otherwise, they are treated as an arguments to be appended to their respective startup lines. This makes it possible to add arguments (for example, foreground and background colors) without having to retype the whole command line. If an explicit server name is not given and the first argument follow- ing the double dash (--) is a colon followed by a digit, xinit will use that number as the display number instead of zero. All remaining argu- ments are appended to the server command line. EXAMPLES Below are several examples of how command line arguments in xinit are used. xinit This will start up a server named X and run the user's .xini- trc, if it exists, or else start an xterm. xinit -- /usr/bin/Xvnc :1 This is how one could start a specific type of server on an alternate display. xinit -geometry =80x65+10+10 -fn 8x13 -j -fg white -bg navy This will start up a server named X, and will append the given arguments to the default xterm command. It will ignore .xini- trc. xinit -e widgets -- ./Xorg -l -c This will use the command .Xorg -l -c to start the server and will append the arguments -e widgets to the default xterm com- mand. xinit /usr/ucb/rsh fasthost cpupig -display ws:1 -- :1 -a 2 -t 5 This will start a server named X on display 1 with the argu- ments -a 2 -t 5. It will then start a remote shell on the machine fasthost in which it will run the command cpupig, telling it to display back on the local workstation. Below is a sample .xinitrc that starts a clock, several terminals, and leaves the window manager running as the ``last'' application. Assum- ing that the window manager has been configured properly, the user then chooses the ``Exit'' menu item to shut down X. xrdb -load $HOME/.Xresources xsetroot -solid gray & xclock -g 50x50-0+0 -bw 0 & xload -g 50x50-50+0 -bw 0 & xterm -g 80x24+0+0 & xterm -g 80x24+0-0 & twm Sites that want to create a common startup environment could simply create a default .xinitrc that references a site-wide startup file: #!/bin/sh . /etc/X11/xinit/site.xinitrc Another approach is to write a script that starts xinit with a specific shell script. Such scripts are usually named x11, xstart, or startx and are a convenient way to provide a simple interface for novice users: #!/bin/sh xinit /etc/X11/xinit/site.xinitrc -- /usr/bin/X -br ENVIRONMENT VARIABLES DISPLAY This variable gets set to the name of the display to which clients should connect. XINITRC This variable specifies an init file containing shell commands to start up the initial windows. By default, .xinitrc in the home directory will be used. FILES .xinitrc default client script xterm client to run if .xinitrc does not exist .xserverrc default server script X server to run if .xserverrc does not exist SEE ALSO X(7), startx(1), Xserver(1), Xorg(1), xorg.conf(5), xterm(1) AUTHOR Bob Scheifler, MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X Version 11 xinit 1.3.3 XINIT(1) > We are learning, different pace, different paths, different start points, nobody can possibly know it all. I encourage you to use the forum more, more people active around the globe there that you can get advise most likely sooner than here on the list. > > Fungalnet (sysdfree.wordpress.com) > > > -- > artix-general mailing list > artix-general at artixlinux.org > https://lists.artixlinux.org/listinfo/artix-general -- So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998 http://www.mrbrklyn.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002 http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive http://www.coinhangout.com - coins! http://www.brooklyn-living.com Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and extermination camps, but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013 From mark at unserver.de Mon Jun 3 10:14:21 2019 From: mark at unserver.de (Stefan Mark) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2019 09:14:21 +0200 Subject: [artix-general] Is console autologin possible to start X automatically on Artix? In-Reply-To: References: <2e34d1bc-5666-c003-beb3-ce6cc3a987f8@e.email> Message-ID: <2a8fed2f-ae11-5efb-1a0e-71f2fdffdd82@unserver.de> On 29.05.19 09:21, Javier via artix-general wrote: On 5/28/19 2:21 PM, Javier via artix-general wrote: > Hi, > > I'm using on Arch console autologin [1] to then auto start X at login [2]. The auto login is mentioned on Arch to be possible due to systemd, however it seems more like a getty + logind artifact. I'm wondering, as elogind is part of Artix, if autologin is also possible on Artix. > > Not that one can't live without it, just that it's really convenient to me. If you're wondering, I'm always starting with the screen blocked prior to calling the DE/WM on xinitrc... > Using openrc its simple (should be similar for runit). Each virtual console has its own config /etc/conf.d/agetty.ttyX, where X is 1 to 5. Chose one (or create another one, at least 1-9 should be no problem) and add "-a USERNAME" to the config string. This will make agetty to autologin USERNAME on virtual console X. Now, open ~/.bash_profile and add after the shebang (remember to replace X in ttyX): if [ "$(tty | sed -e "s:/dev/::")" == "ttyX" ]; then exec startx fi this will start X when logged in on console X. This has nothing to do with elogind though, but i hope it helps nevertheless. Notes: Due to the "exec" before "startx" the shell is exited and replaced by startx. After X ends the user will log out. And then in again due to the "-a" on agetty. If anything goes wrong: Loop time (at least on Gentoo the startup scripts from X have their own loop protection). You can remove the "exec", then you end up logged in a console after X exited (since the console (usually) has no screen lock, this might be a bad thing). Choose wisely. Obviously, the agetty and the bash_profile part can be used independently to either automatically start X on manual login, or automatically login without starting X. Do i have to mention that automatic login might be a security issue? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 833 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From fungilife at protonmail.com Mon Jun 3 14:19:14 2019 From: fungilife at protonmail.com (Fungi4All) Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2019 11:19:14 +0000 Subject: [artix-general] Is console autologin possible to start X automatically on Artix? In-Reply-To: <2a8fed2f-ae11-5efb-1a0e-71f2fdffdd82@unserver.de> References: <2e34d1bc-5666-c003-beb3-ce6cc3a987f8@e.email> <2a8fed2f-ae11-5efb-1a0e-71f2fdffdd82@unserver.de> Message-ID: On Monday, June 3, 2019 10:14 AM, Stefan Mark via artix-general wrote: > On 29.05.19 09:21, Javier via artix-general wrote: > On 5/28/19 2:21 PM, Javier via artix-general wrote: > > > Hi, > > I'm using on Arch console autologin [1] to then auto start X at login [2]. The auto login is mentioned on Arch to be possible due to systemd, however it seems more like a getty + logind artifact. I'm wondering, as elogind is part of Artix, if autologin is also possible on Artix. > > Not that one can't live without it, just that it's really convenient to me. If you're wondering, I'm always starting with the screen blocked prior to calling the DE/WM on xinitrc... > > Using openrc its simple (should be similar for runit). Each virtual > console has its own config /etc/conf.d/agetty.ttyX, where X is 1 to 5. > Chose one (or create another one, at least 1-9 should be no problem) and > add "-a USERNAME" to the config string. This will make agetty to > autologin USERNAME on virtual console X. > > Now, open ~/.bash_profile and add after the shebang (remember to replace > X in ttyX): > > if [ "$(tty | sed -e "s:/dev/::")" == "ttyX" ]; then > exec startx > fi > > this will start X when logged in on console X. > > This has nothing to do with elogind though, but i hope it helps > nevertheless. > > Notes: > Due to the "exec" before "startx" the shell is exited and replaced by > startx. After X ends the user will log out. And then in again due to the > "-a" on agetty. If anything goes wrong: Loop time (at least on Gentoo > the startup scripts from X have their own loop protection). You can > remove the "exec", then you end up logged in a console after X exited > (since the console (usually) has no screen lock, this might be a bad > thing). Choose wisely. > > Obviously, the agetty and the bash_profile part can be used > independently to either automatically start X on manual login, or > automatically login without starting X. > > Do i have to mention that automatic login might be a security issue? I will soon make a test installation to test this, I am not using OpenRC and I use zsh instead of bash. One issue I am wondering is let's say X due to a recent update fails to start. You don't realize this while you are in it but next reboot you are caught in the loop, but you explain the rc is preventing the loops. So, you have to enter as root to fix this or you must have a backup 2nd account without a .*login /autologin etc. In some setups this may be perceived as a security problem, the ability to login as root from tty. Is this why you alert of the choices? In my setup I like to login as user and start x manually. From ruben at mrbrklyn.com Sun Jun 16 20:26:28 2019 From: ruben at mrbrklyn.com (Ruben Safir) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2019 13:26:28 -0400 Subject: [artix-general] how about killing the anti-semetic BS on the forum about now Message-ID: <20190616172628.GA31515@www2.mrbrklyn.com> how about killing the anti-semetic BS on the forum about now -- So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998 http://www.mrbrklyn.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002 http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive http://www.coinhangout.com - coins! http://www.brooklyn-living.com Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and extermination camps, but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013 From rick at linuxmafia.com Mon Jun 17 03:34:06 2019 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2019 17:34:06 -0700 Subject: [artix-general] how about killing the anti-semetic BS on the forum about now In-Reply-To: <20190616172628.GA31515@www2.mrbrklyn.com> References: <20190616172628.GA31515@www2.mrbrklyn.com> Message-ID: <20190617003406.GP5228@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Ruben Safir via artix-general (artix-general at artixlinux.org): > how about killing the anti-semetic BS on the forum about now Hello, Chris and Artoo. Chris might recall that I'm a friendly outsider of Artix who normally lurks[1] and is a friend of Ruben's. I'm speaking up again (but will _not_ pursue the matter past this current post) to say that IMO Ruben has a point, and to respectfully suggest that SGOrava's partial deletion and thread-locking was insuffiient. IMO, all posts to that thread after the initial one by package administrator Nadir should also be expunged, otherwise the problmatic comments by the main respondent will coninue to draw attention and cause problems for Artix Linux. (I'll not contribute to the problem by linking to the thread.) Again, I'll not be pursuing this suggestion any further, and I make this suggestion with the greatest respect and best wishes for the project. [1] https://lists.artixlinux.org/archives/artix-general/2017-November/000053.html https://lists.artixlinux.org/archives/artix-general/2017-November/000055.html -- Cheers, "I am a member of a civilization (IAAMOAC). Step back Rick Moen from anger. Study how awful our ancestors had it, yet rick at linuxmafia.com they struggled to get you here. Repay them by appreciating McQ! (4x80) the civilization you inherited." -- David Brin From fungilife at protonmail.com Mon Jun 17 13:26:21 2019 From: fungilife at protonmail.com (Fungi4All) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2019 10:26:21 +0000 Subject: [artix-general] how about killing the anti-semetic BS on the forum about now In-Reply-To: <20190617003406.GP5228@linuxmafia.com> References: <20190616172628.GA31515@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20190617003406.GP5228@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: I disagree, and this is why: Artix can't be characterized by the views of its users presented in a forum, especially in the "off-topic/playground" section. Artix should also not be perceived as "the owner" of posts placed in the forum. Once a public discussion has already taken place it is one thing to lock it, and it is a very different thing to remove the content and even worse to be selective of what to remove and what not to. What we had here is a "classic" NSA troll in a public forum, that would lure discussion till somebody reacts, push the limits of patience and tolerance of participants to provide "the excuse" of moderators to react and formulate new rules of the limits of freedom within a public forum. Then "the butcher" moderator comes in as a common "for hire" law enforcer. What is the effect? All evidence of this fascist NSA troll, including positions and writing style, have vanished, the troll can continue its work and hop from forum to forum (not just open system related) and sterilize all public discussion so both fascism and anti-fascism has vanished from the public sphere. Politics is reduced to a side hobby for the experts of that hobby, and it is now not central to all public/social life. It is a hobby for extremists. The moderator in effect becomes subservient and a collaborator to the NSA paid troll. There are three things that characterize a fascist. "Racism", of all sorts (gender, religion, nationality, race, sexual affiliation), anti-communism, and anti-semitism. There is one thing that separates a Nazi from a neo-Nazi, the later tries to shake off its anti-human history and restart with a clean wrapper. Guess whose day that makes to prevent the "few" outspoken anti-fascists from ever speaking again? It may be partially my responsibility of underestimating this troll, provide food for it to hatch (because we are talking of snakes, GMO forms of snakes, not the good little natural ones) and allow it to display its hatred. What do you do? Pretend we are all fine, the phenomenon doesn't exist. It does exist and the path followed here (and most other public forums) is to prevent people from realizing the danger and when it is they will be beaten. Because the snakes are multiplying and WILL BITE AGAIN. The moderator (which I once was in this forum and resigned due to how other moderators operated, single-handedly without any attempt to discuss with fellow moderators) in this case, to me, appears as an NSA collaborator if not an agent himself, and should have had the guts to come and say "I deleted certain posts that I see unfit for public view.". "It is my own ground, anything in this forum is my property, I can allow it and I can destroy it anytime I want without notice". The same person did not "ban" an outspoken neo-nazi. This now characterizes Artix! This "neutralized" and "sterilized" forum now has no barriers for fascists to participate and enjoy the fruits of shared collaborative work. Fascists are free and equal. And so are the NSA trolls to tickle them and "like" their input. I have no place in such a "make pretend public forum, NSA playground" Enjoy your sterilized artificial fresh environment. This is what happened to Debian long ago and the project was "bitten". I stand behind Ruben, and his family, as extended family, whether he likes it or not, it is my fight as well. Helmet on and club ready! Anyday Ruben calls, I'll be there! Schpankme is still an active Artix Forum user! Have a nice forum and wear high leather boots, there is no antidote for this venom. On Monday, June 17, 2019 3:34 AM, Rick Moen via artix-general wrote: > Quoting Ruben Safir via artix-general (artix-general at artixlinux.org): > > > how about killing the anti-semetic BS on the forum about now > > Hello, Chris and Artoo. Chris might recall that I'm a friendly outsider > of Artix who normally lurks[1] and is a friend of Ruben's. I'm speaking > up again (but will not pursue the matter past this current post) to > say that IMO Ruben has a point, and to respectfully suggest that > SGOrava's partial deletion and thread-locking was insuffiient. IMO, all > posts to that thread after the initial one by package administrator > Nadir should also be expunged, otherwise the problmatic comments by the > main respondent will coninue to draw attention and cause problems for > Artix Linux. (I'll not contribute to the problem by linking to the > thread.) > > Again, I'll not be pursuing this suggestion any further, and I make this > suggestion with the greatest respect and best wishes for the project. > From physkets at artixlinux.org Mon Jun 17 14:05:07 2019 From: physkets at artixlinux.org (physkets) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2019 16:35:07 +0530 Subject: [artix-general] how about killing the anti-semetic BS on the forum about now In-Reply-To: References: <20190616172628.GA31515@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20190617003406.GP5228@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <563fa0d9f192620adbaa4c70cc4efc3670a3d64f.camel@artixlinux.org> On Mon, 2019-06-17 at 10:26 +0000, Fungi4All via artix-general wrote: > I do agree with quite a bit of what you wrote, about how such trolling can be used to subvert the climate of a forum to one of mistrust. We do need to be vigilant of that. But not at the cost of imposing our own views on others. > > The moderator (which I once was in this forum and resigned due to how other > moderators operated, single-handedly without any attempt to discuss with > fellow moderators) in this case, to me, appears as an NSA collaborator if > not an agent himself, and should have had the guts to come and say "I > deleted certain posts that I see unfit for public view.". "It is my own > ground, anything in this forum is my property, I can allow it and I can > destroy it anytime I want without notice". > We did have a discussion about the issue over IRC, and issued warnings to both parties involved, for their behaviour. We also had to remove some content based on the (il)legality of it in the country in which Artix servers are located. > The same person did not "ban" an outspoken neo-nazi. This now characterizes > Artix! > In your own words, at the begining of your email, this does not. A person is entitled to their views, and as I said, warnings have been issued. A repeat offence will result in stricter action. physkets -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 488 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From fungilife at protonmail.com Mon Jun 17 14:11:39 2019 From: fungilife at protonmail.com (Fungi4All) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2019 11:11:39 +0000 Subject: [artix-general] how about killing the anti-semetic BS on the forum about now In-Reply-To: <563fa0d9f192620adbaa4c70cc4efc3670a3d64f.camel@artixlinux.org> References: <20190616172628.GA31515@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20190617003406.GP5228@linuxmafia.com> <563fa0d9f192620adbaa4c70cc4efc3670a3d64f.camel@artixlinux.org> Message-ID: On Monday, June 17, 2019 2:05 PM, physkets via artix-general wrote: >> In your own words, at the begining of your email, this does not. A person is > entitled to their views, and as I said, warnings have been issued. A repeat > offence will result in stricter action. > > physkets So you equate the two "offenders" Anti human murderers and defenders of humanity as equals Goodbye Fungalnet over and out From physkets at artixlinux.org Mon Jun 17 14:15:34 2019 From: physkets at artixlinux.org (physkets) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2019 16:45:34 +0530 Subject: [artix-general] how about killing the anti-semetic BS on the forum about now In-Reply-To: References: <20190616172628.GA31515@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20190617003406.GP5228@linuxmafia.com> <563fa0d9f192620adbaa4c70cc4efc3670a3d64f.camel@artixlinux.org> Message-ID: <8f078258d99239280c1a261724d66b872b09617a.camel@artixlinux.org> On Mon, 2019-06-17 at 11:11 +0000, Fungi4All via artix-general wrote: > On Monday, June 17, 2019 2:05 PM, physkets via artix-general < > artix-general at artixlinux.org> wrote: > > > > In your own words, at the begining of your email, this does not. A > > > person is > > entitled to their views, and as I said, warnings have been issued. A > > repeat > > offence will result in stricter action. > > > > physkets > > So you equate the two "offenders" > > Anti human murderers and defenders of humanity as equals > No; they were warned for different reasons. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 488 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From ruben at mrbrklyn.com Tue Jun 18 12:39:24 2019 From: ruben at mrbrklyn.com (Ruben Safir) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 05:39:24 -0400 Subject: [artix-general] how about killing the anti-semetic BS on the forum about now In-Reply-To: <8f078258d99239280c1a261724d66b872b09617a.camel@artixlinux.org> References: <20190616172628.GA31515@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20190617003406.GP5228@linuxmafia.com> <563fa0d9f192620adbaa4c70cc4efc3670a3d64f.camel@artixlinux.org> <8f078258d99239280c1a261724d66b872b09617a.camel@artixlinux.org> Message-ID: <20190618093924.GA6399@www2.mrbrklyn.com> What makes me sad about this is that it is not obvious to all involved that this an open radicalized rhetoric against Jews which is inherently evil and will lead to the death and inflames fanatics against my family and children. Speach matters, especially in context. People are NOT entitled to this view, that Jews control the vatican and the world. This is a dangerous provacation and a call for the enslavement of the Jewish people and our death. The fense sitting is indefensable. And, BTW, this is not the first time we've heard such rhetoric in Free Software circles, which is guininely sad. In Bordeaux, RMS, David Sugur, Peter Arguire, and the Mayor of Bordaux and having lunch in france to discuss some social initiative when the French presentitive made some scathing anti-semetic remark. I was paying for dinner. I turned pale and said, "This entire movement for Free Software was started by Jewish people. Richard is Jewish, David is Jewish, I am Jewish... Nat Friedman is Jewish... " And then Philip, who was working for the EU Dept of Arg I believe chimed in, "I'm also Jewish". It worked out that the Bordeaux representitive was the only fellow at the table who wasn't Jewish. More than a free crackpots accuse Free Software of being a Bolshivich Jewish creation designed to destory legit software businesses... like MS. On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 04:45:34PM +0530, physkets via artix-general wrote: > On Mon, 2019-06-17 at 11:11 +0000, Fungi4All via artix-general wrote: > > On Monday, June 17, 2019 2:05 PM, physkets via artix-general < > > artix-general at artixlinux.org> wrote: > > > > > > In your own words, at the begining of your email, this does not. A > > > > person is > > > entitled to their views, and as I said, warnings have been issued. A > > > repeat > > > offence will result in stricter action. > > > > > > physkets > > > > So you equate the two "offenders" > > > > Anti human murderers and defenders of humanity as equals > > > > No; they were warned for different reasons. > -- > artix-general mailing list > artix-general at artixlinux.org > https://lists.artixlinux.org/listinfo/artix-general -- So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998 http://www.mrbrklyn.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002 http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive http://www.coinhangout.com - coins! http://www.brooklyn-living.com Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and extermination camps, but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013 From fungilife at protonmail.com Tue Jun 18 12:45:43 2019 From: fungilife at protonmail.com (Fungi4All) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 09:45:43 +0000 Subject: [artix-general] how about killing the anti-semetic BS on the forum about now In-Reply-To: <20190618093924.GA6399@www2.mrbrklyn.com> References: <20190616172628.GA31515@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20190617003406.GP5228@linuxmafia.com> <563fa0d9f192620adbaa4c70cc4efc3670a3d64f.camel@artixlinux.org> <8f078258d99239280c1a261724d66b872b09617a.camel@artixlinux.org> <20190618093924.GA6399@www2.mrbrklyn.com> Message-ID: Since you did not mention it I'd like to ask your personal opinion of the fact that there is nothing in the forum now to characterize this piece of shit as a neo-nazi! All thanks to neutral moderating! FungalNet From alexander.jenisch at divzero.at Tue Jun 18 12:52:55 2019 From: alexander.jenisch at divzero.at (Alexander Jenisch) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 11:52:55 +0200 Subject: [artix-general] how about killing the anti-semetic BS on the forum about now In-Reply-To: <20190618093924.GA6399@www2.mrbrklyn.com> References: <20190616172628.GA31515@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20190617003406.GP5228@linuxmafia.com> <563fa0d9f192620adbaa4c70cc4efc3670a3d64f.camel@artixlinux.org> <8f078258d99239280c1a261724d66b872b09617a.camel@artixlinux.org> <20190618093924.GA6399@www2.mrbrklyn.com> Message-ID: <20190618095255.16a5a483@localhost.localdomain> Can we get this stupid, off-topic, political bullshit out of the mailing list please? Solve it with private messages like adults you attention whoring cunts. NO ONE CARES. STFU! -- On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 05:39:24 -0400 Ruben Safir via artix-general wrote: > What makes me sad about this is that it is not obvious to all involved > that this an open radicalized rhetoric against Jews which is inherently > evil and will lead to the death and inflames fanatics against my family > and children. > > Speach matters, especially in context. People are NOT entitled to this > view, that Jews control the vatican and the world. This is a dangerous > provacation and a call for the enslavement of the Jewish people and our > death. > > The fense sitting is indefensable. > > And, BTW, this is not the first time we've heard such rhetoric in Free > Software circles, which is guininely sad. > > In Bordeaux, RMS, David Sugur, Peter Arguire, and the Mayor of Bordaux > and having lunch in france to discuss some social initiative when the > French presentitive made some scathing anti-semetic remark. > > I was paying for dinner. > > I turned pale and said, "This entire movement for Free Software was > started by Jewish people. Richard is Jewish, David is Jewish, I am > Jewish... Nat Friedman is Jewish... " And then Philip, who was working > for the EU Dept of Arg I believe chimed in, "I'm also Jewish". It > worked out that the Bordeaux representitive was the only fellow at the > table who wasn't Jewish. > > More than a free crackpots accuse Free Software of being a Bolshivich > Jewish creation designed to destory legit software businesses... like > MS. > > > > On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 04:45:34PM +0530, physkets via artix-general wrote: > > On Mon, 2019-06-17 at 11:11 +0000, Fungi4All via artix-general wrote: > > > On Monday, June 17, 2019 2:05 PM, physkets via artix-general < > > > artix-general at artixlinux.org> wrote: > > > > > > > > In your own words, at the begining of your email, this does not. A > > > > > person is > > > > entitled to their views, and as I said, warnings have been issued. A > > > > repeat > > > > offence will result in stricter action. > > > > > > > > physkets > > > > > > So you equate the two "offenders" > > > > > > Anti human murderers and defenders of humanity as equals > > > > > > > No; they were warned for different reasons. > > > > > -- > > artix-general mailing list > > artix-general at artixlinux.org > > https://lists.artixlinux.org/listinfo/artix-general > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 488 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From fungilife at protonmail.com Tue Jun 18 13:08:10 2019 From: fungilife at protonmail.com (Fungi4All) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 10:08:10 +0000 Subject: [artix-general] how about killing the anti-semetic BS on the forum about now In-Reply-To: <20190618095255.16a5a483@localhost.localdomain> References: <20190616172628.GA31515@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20190617003406.GP5228@linuxmafia.com> <563fa0d9f192620adbaa4c70cc4efc3670a3d64f.camel@artixlinux.org> <8f078258d99239280c1a261724d66b872b09617a.camel@artixlinux.org> <20190618093924.GA6399@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20190618095255.16a5a483@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: The eggs have hatched, thanks to your ingenious moderating I will not shut up when it comes to this, or the tolerance to it. On Tuesday, June 18, 2019 12:52 PM, Alexander Jenisch via artix-general wrote: > Can we get this stupid, off-topic, political bullshit out of the mailing list > please? Solve it with private messages like adults you attention whoring cunts. > NO ONE CARES. STFU! > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 05:39:24 -0400 > Ruben Safir via artix-general artix-general at artixlinux.org wrote: > > > What makes me sad about this is that it is not obvious to all involved > > that this an open radicalized rhetoric against Jews which is inherently > > evil and will lead to the death and inflames fanatics against my family > > and children. > > Speach matters, especially in context. People are NOT entitled to this > > view, that Jews control the vatican and the world. This is a dangerous > > provacation and a call for the enslavement of the Jewish people and our > > death. > > The fense sitting is indefensable. > > And, BTW, this is not the first time we've heard such rhetoric in Free > > Software circles, which is guininely sad. > > In Bordeaux, RMS, David Sugur, Peter Arguire, and the Mayor of Bordaux > > and having lunch in france to discuss some social initiative when the > > French presentitive made some scathing anti-semetic remark. > > I was paying for dinner. > > I turned pale and said, "This entire movement for Free Software was > > started by Jewish people. Richard is Jewish, David is Jewish, I am > > Jewish... Nat Friedman is Jewish... " And then Philip, who was working > > for the EU Dept of Arg I believe chimed in, "I'm also Jewish". It > > worked out that the Bordeaux representitive was the only fellow at the > > table who wasn't Jewish. > > More than a free crackpots accuse Free Software of being a Bolshivich > > Jewish creation designed to destory legit software businesses... like > > MS. > > On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 04:45:34PM +0530, physkets via artix-general wrote: > > > > > On Mon, 2019-06-17 at 11:11 +0000, Fungi4All via artix-general wrote: > > > > > > > On Monday, June 17, 2019 2:05 PM, physkets via artix-general < > > > > artix-general at artixlinux.org> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > In your own words, at the begining of your email, this does not. A > > > > > > person is > > > > > > entitled to their views, and as I said, warnings have been issued. A > > > > > > repeat > > > > > > offence will result in stricter action. > > > > > > > > > > physkets > > > > > > > > So you equate the two "offenders" > > > > Anti human murderers and defenders of humanity as equals > > > > > > No; they were warned for different reasons. > > > > > -- > > > artix-general mailing list > > > artix-general at artixlinux.org > > > https://lists.artixlinux.org/listinfo/artix-general > > -- > artix-general mailing list > artix-general at artixlinux.org > https://lists.artixlinux.org/listinfo/artix-general From alexander.jenisch at divzero.at Tue Jun 18 14:28:10 2019 From: alexander.jenisch at divzero.at (Alexander Jenisch) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 13:28:10 +0200 Subject: [artix-general] how about killing the anti-semetic BS on the forum about now In-Reply-To: References: <20190616172628.GA31515@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20190617003406.GP5228@linuxmafia.com> <563fa0d9f192620adbaa4c70cc4efc3670a3d64f.camel@artixlinux.org> <8f078258d99239280c1a261724d66b872b09617a.camel@artixlinux.org> <20190618093924.GA6399@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20190618095255.16a5a483@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20190618112810.011c7c20@localhost.localdomain> I don't care what you want. I'm asking the moderator of the list to ban all people talking non-tech in here. You are clearly driving a political agenda and most of us don't care either way. So GTFO our sandbox. I'm aware of the irony because by my own request the moderator will ban my sorry ass as well. Bring it mod! :D -- On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 10:08:10 +0000 Fungi4All via artix-general wrote: > The eggs have hatched, thanks to your ingenious moderating > > > I will not shut up when it comes to this, or the tolerance to it. > > On Tuesday, June 18, 2019 12:52 PM, Alexander Jenisch via artix-general > wrote: > > > Can we get this stupid, off-topic, political bullshit out of the mailing > > list please? Solve it with private messages like adults you attention > > whoring cunts. NO ONE CARES. STFU! > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 05:39:24 -0400 > > Ruben Safir via artix-general artix-general at artixlinux.org wrote: > > > > > What makes me sad about this is that it is not obvious to all involved > > > that this an open radicalized rhetoric against Jews which is inherently > > > evil and will lead to the death and inflames fanatics against my family > > > and children. > > > Speach matters, especially in context. People are NOT entitled to this > > > view, that Jews control the vatican and the world. This is a dangerous > > > provacation and a call for the enslavement of the Jewish people and our > > > death. > > > The fense sitting is indefensable. > > > And, BTW, this is not the first time we've heard such rhetoric in Free > > > Software circles, which is guininely sad. > > > In Bordeaux, RMS, David Sugur, Peter Arguire, and the Mayor of Bordaux > > > and having lunch in france to discuss some social initiative when the > > > French presentitive made some scathing anti-semetic remark. > > > I was paying for dinner. > > > I turned pale and said, "This entire movement for Free Software was > > > started by Jewish people. Richard is Jewish, David is Jewish, I am > > > Jewish... Nat Friedman is Jewish... " And then Philip, who was working > > > for the EU Dept of Arg I believe chimed in, "I'm also Jewish". It > > > worked out that the Bordeaux representitive was the only fellow at the > > > table who wasn't Jewish. > > > More than a free crackpots accuse Free Software of being a Bolshivich > > > Jewish creation designed to destory legit software businesses... like > > > MS. > > > On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 04:45:34PM +0530, physkets via artix-general > > > wrote: > > > > On Mon, 2019-06-17 at 11:11 +0000, Fungi4All via artix-general wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Monday, June 17, 2019 2:05 PM, physkets via artix-general < > > > > > artix-general at artixlinux.org> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > In your own words, at the begining of your email, this does not. A > > > > > > > person is > > > > > > > entitled to their views, and as I said, warnings have been > > > > > > > issued. A repeat > > > > > > > offence will result in stricter action. > > > > > > > > > > > > physkets > > > > > > > > > > So you equate the two "offenders" > > > > > Anti human murderers and defenders of humanity as equals > > > > > > > > No; they were warned for different reasons. > > > > > > > -- > > > > artix-general mailing list > > > > artix-general at artixlinux.org > > > > https://lists.artixlinux.org/listinfo/artix-general > > > > -- > > artix-general mailing list > > artix-general at artixlinux.org > > https://lists.artixlinux.org/listinfo/artix-general > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 488 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From fungilife at protonmail.com Tue Jun 18 14:45:25 2019 From: fungilife at protonmail.com (Fungi4All) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 11:45:25 +0000 Subject: [artix-general] how about killing the anti-semetic BS on the forum about now In-Reply-To: <20190618112810.011c7c20@localhost.localdomain> References: <20190616172628.GA31515@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20190617003406.GP5228@linuxmafia.com> <563fa0d9f192620adbaa4c70cc4efc3670a3d64f.camel@artixlinux.org> <8f078258d99239280c1a261724d66b872b09617a.camel@artixlinux.org> <20190618093924.GA6399@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20190618095255.16a5a483@localhost.localdomain> <20190618112810.011c7c20@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Are you having a bad day in Austria? Alexander Jenisch Here is an article I wrote inspired by the likes of you and their miserable presence in public life https://sysdfree.wordpress.com/2019/06/17/273/ From alexander.jenisch at divzero.at Tue Jun 18 14:49:30 2019 From: alexander.jenisch at divzero.at (Alexander Jenisch) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 13:49:30 +0200 Subject: [artix-general] how about killing the anti-semetic BS on the forum about now In-Reply-To: References: <20190616172628.GA31515@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20190617003406.GP5228@linuxmafia.com> <563fa0d9f192620adbaa4c70cc4efc3670a3d64f.camel@artixlinux.org> <8f078258d99239280c1a261724d66b872b09617a.camel@artixlinux.org> <20190618093924.GA6399@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20190618095255.16a5a483@localhost.localdomain> <20190618112810.011c7c20@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20190618114930.62cfc0fe@localhost.localdomain> And now he's doxxing me... ban this mf already. -- On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 11:45:25 +0000 Fungi4All via artix-general wrote: > Are you having a bad day in Austria? > Alexander Jenisch > > > Here is an article I wrote inspired by the likes of you and their miserable > presence in public life https://sysdfree.wordpress.com/2019/06/17/273/ > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 488 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From rick at linuxmafia.com Tue Jun 18 19:54:20 2019 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 09:54:20 -0700 Subject: [artix-general] Mailman's DMARC mitigation (was: how about killing the anti-semitic BS on the forum about now) In-Reply-To: <20190618114930.62cfc0fe@localhost.localdomain> References: <563fa0d9f192620adbaa4c70cc4efc3670a3d64f.camel@artixlinux.org> <8f078258d99239280c1a261724d66b872b09617a.camel@artixlinux.org> <20190618093924.GA6399@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20190618095255.16a5a483@localhost.localdomain> <20190618112810.011c7c20@localhost.localdomain> <20190618114930.62cfc0fe@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20190618165420.GV5228@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Alexander Jenisch via artix-general (artix-general at artixlinux.org): > And now he's doxxing me. As a point of information, if you're talking about Fungi4All citing your correct e-mail address (and/or country), then please be advised that that exact data is already publicly stated in your own posts. True, Mailman 'munges' your address out of the From: header (substituting 'Alexander Jenisch via artix-general '), because the listadmins have enabled Mailman's recommended DMARC mitigation, but while doing so Mailman also preserves your genuine (original) posting address in a Reply-To header. So, Fungi4All didn't suddenly reveal your personal e-mail address (nor the fact that it's in Austria). Those data are already public in your own postings. (Just trying to help. I'm familiar with the ways Mailman attempts to cope with difficulties posed by some sending domains' strongly asserted DMARC policies, because I'm a Mailman listadmin elsewhere.) From ruben at mrbrklyn.com Thu Jun 20 01:22:49 2019 From: ruben at mrbrklyn.com (Ruben Safir) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 18:22:49 -0400 Subject: [artix-general] how about killing the anti-semetic BS on the forum about now In-Reply-To: <20190618112810.011c7c20@localhost.localdomain> References: <20190616172628.GA31515@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20190617003406.GP5228@linuxmafia.com> <563fa0d9f192620adbaa4c70cc4efc3670a3d64f.camel@artixlinux.org> <8f078258d99239280c1a261724d66b872b09617a.camel@artixlinux.org> <20190618093924.GA6399@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20190618095255.16a5a483@localhost.localdomain> <20190618112810.011c7c20@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20190619222249.GA28131@www2.mrbrklyn.com> On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 01:28:10PM +0200, Alexander Jenisch via artix-general wrote: > I don't care what you want. I'm asking the moderator of the list to ban all > people talking non-tech in here. You are clearly driving a political agenda and > most of us don't care either way. So GTFO our sandbox. My political agenda is that the Jewish people should not be defamed, should not be accused of commiting consiracies, to have fabrications made up agains us and that you should never put in ovens, or to be accused of blood libel, or use any other method to kill us and destroy us as a people. If your not with that, your a bad man, very bad. You should be prosecuted for such libelous and genocidal feelings and expressions, and shunned. If you hold those feeling and express them in any tech forum, you are my mortal enemy, and I will treat you as such. I'm just making this as perfectly clear as I can. > > I'm aware of the irony because by my own request the moderator will ban my > sorry ass as well. Bring it mod! :D > -- > > On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 10:08:10 +0000 > Fungi4All via artix-general wrote: > > > The eggs have hatched, thanks to your ingenious moderating > > > > > > I will not shut up when it comes to this, or the tolerance to it. > > > > On Tuesday, June 18, 2019 12:52 PM, Alexander Jenisch via artix-general > > wrote: > > > > > Can we get this stupid, off-topic, political bullshit out of the mailing > > > list please? Solve it with private messages like adults you attention > > > whoring cunts. NO ONE CARES. STFU! > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 05:39:24 -0400 > > > Ruben Safir via artix-general artix-general at artixlinux.org wrote: > > > > > > > What makes me sad about this is that it is not obvious to all involved > > > > that this an open radicalized rhetoric against Jews which is inherently > > > > evil and will lead to the death and inflames fanatics against my family > > > > and children. > > > > Speach matters, especially in context. People are NOT entitled to this > > > > view, that Jews control the vatican and the world. This is a dangerous > > > > provacation and a call for the enslavement of the Jewish people and our > > > > death. > > > > The fense sitting is indefensable. > > > > And, BTW, this is not the first time we've heard such rhetoric in Free > > > > Software circles, which is guininely sad. > > > > In Bordeaux, RMS, David Sugur, Peter Arguire, and the Mayor of Bordaux > > > > and having lunch in france to discuss some social initiative when the > > > > French presentitive made some scathing anti-semetic remark. > > > > I was paying for dinner. > > > > I turned pale and said, "This entire movement for Free Software was > > > > started by Jewish people. Richard is Jewish, David is Jewish, I am > > > > Jewish... Nat Friedman is Jewish... " And then Philip, who was working > > > > for the EU Dept of Arg I believe chimed in, "I'm also Jewish". It > > > > worked out that the Bordeaux representitive was the only fellow at the > > > > table who wasn't Jewish. > > > > More than a free crackpots accuse Free Software of being a Bolshivich > > > > Jewish creation designed to destory legit software businesses... like > > > > MS. > > > > On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 04:45:34PM +0530, physkets via artix-general > > > > wrote: > > > > > On Mon, 2019-06-17 at 11:11 +0000, Fungi4All via artix-general wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Monday, June 17, 2019 2:05 PM, physkets via artix-general < > > > > > > artix-general at artixlinux.org> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In your own words, at the begining of your email, this does not. A > > > > > > > > person is > > > > > > > > entitled to their views, and as I said, warnings have been > > > > > > > > issued. A repeat > > > > > > > > offence will result in stricter action. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > physkets > > > > > > > > > > > > So you equate the two "offenders" > > > > > > Anti human murderers and defenders of humanity as equals > > > > > > > > > > No; they were warned for different reasons. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > artix-general mailing list > > > > > artix-general at artixlinux.org > > > > > https://lists.artixlinux.org/listinfo/artix-general > > > > > > -- > > > artix-general mailing list > > > artix-general at artixlinux.org > > > https://lists.artixlinux.org/listinfo/artix-general > > > > > -- > artix-general mailing list > artix-general at artixlinux.org > https://lists.artixlinux.org/listinfo/artix-general -- So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998 http://www.mrbrklyn.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002 http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive http://www.coinhangout.com - coins! http://www.brooklyn-living.com Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and extermination camps, but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013 From nous at artixlinux.org Thu Jun 20 16:54:47 2019 From: nous at artixlinux.org (Christos Nouskas) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2019 16:54:47 +0300 Subject: [artix-general] List moderation Message-ID: <20190620165447.9d4ff65cca3f54eb0a68328f@artixlinux.org> Hello, everybody! 1. If anyone wants to slander Artix based on the way its devs and support staff handle situations or because of the posts of a random, unknown user (in its Off-Topic subforum of all things), feel free. But then, please switch to Debian [0] or join your nearest CoC team, it should be more accomodating. 2. Thanks to Rick Moen [1] for voicing his opinion like a civilized man and not some butthurt koala. 3. Fungi4All was the first one to pour oil into the fire [forum posts now deleted, oh well], yet he demands punishment, accuses moderators of collaboration [2] and bids his farewell. Well, be happy wherever you go, I'm sad to watch you go. 4-1. Freedom of speech either is or isn't, period. Unfortunately, this being a technical community, we kindly ask our users to refrain from opening political topics, or driving existing ones to such direction. Once we feel some things have gone over the top, the team discusses it and intervenes. Nothing more, nothing less - there's no hidden agenda here. 4-2. It's funny that some people demand others' opinions to be suppressed, because they consider their own to be the only ones entitled to be heard. That's the exact same of fascism they believe they're opposed to. On this ground, I truly regret we deleted some posts, because it also hides the fact that the Artix team had a clear opinion on those posts and was about to lock the thread. This shall be discussed further at our convenience to decide whether we restore the thread or not. 5. This is a free-time project. This means that most of the team lives a real life and whenever they get a few spare minutes, and provided they're not exhausted, they try to tend to issues, package stuff, engineer ISOs, have a look at some server's logs. They're not pressing F5 every 2 minutes on the forum to catch any "inappropriate" posts. 6. No-frakking-one shall dictate how Artix is run, unless they seriously contribute to it. Arch does this for years and I don't see many people whining. The members of the Artix team may have got their own political views, they express their opinions, they generally agree (or not). But that's one other thing and we don't run Artix to promote our political views or allow them to reflect on the quality and technical merit of the project. Unless it's about systemd, of course. 7. Artix was started by people whose grandfathers were at each other's throats 80 years ago. Now it's the best darn Linux distro in the world. Learn from it. ====================================================== This list is now in emergency moderation mode until further notice and all posts will have to be approved. ====================================================== [0] https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Debian-AH-Archive-Removal [1] https://lists.artixlinux.org/archives/artix-general/2019-June/000179.html [2] https://lists.artixlinux.org/archives/artix-general/2019-June/000180.html -- Christos Nouskas https://systemd-free.artixlinux.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 488 bytes Desc: not available URL: From furkan at uistudio.co.jp Thu Jun 20 18:13:13 2019 From: furkan at uistudio.co.jp (furkan at uistudio.co.jp) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2019 00:13:13 +0900 Subject: [artix-general] List moderation In-Reply-To: <20190620165447.9d4ff65cca3f54eb0a68328f@artixlinux.org> References: <20190620165447.9d4ff65cca3f54eb0a68328f@artixlinux.org> Message-ID: THANK. YOU. On 2019-06-20 22:54, Christos Nouskas via artix-general wrote: > Hello, everybody! > > 1....7